Pranav: Entrance exams like CAT should be banned.........Ping n Talk 2 me over this!!.
Alok Kumar: hi Pranav.
Pranav: evething fine man..
agar free ho to have 2 discuss a thing
Alok Kumar: ya sure
Pranav: Entrance Exams like CAT shud be banned
for /against ??
Alok Kumar: against.
Pranav: hmm.....totally with my feeligs..
Lets talk over this a bit
As far I can recall JEE was the last thing
we faced like this
Alok Kumar: yeah
Pranav: and the enthu,the willpower
and the overall stuff that one develops
Alok Kumar: guess what, jee was the first thing tht taught us to be prepared for life
Alok Kumar: to come out of our cocoons and face the music.
cat and jee have multi faceted traits
they provide a flow to the student life
and other thing, given the polulation of india, the institutes have got to develop
some kind of mechanism to screen students
otherwise money will do the rest
Pranav: well ya...
Alok Kumar: i totally agree tht
many students who are toallly worth entering the hallowed institutions
are sometimes denied thru this cat and jee thing
but se the nos. of those students who actually get the chance which they would never have got otherwise
Pranav: haan....nd basically we don't have anything sensible
If not JEE
if not CAT then ?
Alok Kumar: exactly. if not jee, then how do u give the talent the chance to show themselves.
passing or failing is a different issue altogether
given the infrastructure of india
especially the social one
its all about giving a chance
and also, education system of india is not at all tht robust tht it can provide equal opportunity to all the youth, you cannot deny competitions
and lets say, if we actually give all the students a sure shot entry to equal status institutions,
then things would be taken for granted, and even in tht case
some ppl would evolve as better than others
you see, competition is in human spirit, and the spirit would develop ways to get into onw
even if not these exams,jo kuchh bhi ho....that vague thing can't kill the
basic human nature of competition
Alok Kumar: right. the thing here is nothing but very basic rule of economics. demand and supply. the demand (students wishing to do well) is huge, and the institutions are very less.
now how do you meet the demands wid limited supply
u gotta develop a mechanism
jee and cat are the mechanism as for now
abolishing them solves no purpose.
waise I just wanted
Alok Kumar: though some solutions include increasing the quality of the other institutions which are in a state of total mess.
Pranav: haan was trying to discuss
the solution part
the increase in number of
and India needs more ppl to be equipped with
Alok Kumar: yeah, it is, but the controversy here is using the name of the existing well known institutions ,
why not create a series of new institutions all together
and make them equally efficient, giving better facilities
one very strong example is the current state of iim shillong.
just bcoz it got the name iim, many students took admission there
and now news are coming tht
its a total mess out there
this is doing nothing but further diluting the existing ones' reputation too.
totally not worth it
but yahan bi ek
U see it took arnd 30 yrs or so
for IITS to start producing
talent that can serve the country
eshtablishing a new series
which can start giving thr IIT IIM ooutput
Alok Kumar: you 've got a valid point too, but then things can not be changed overnight anyways.
even if we increased the no. of iits or iims
then students will start fighting
for geting into a particular set of iit or iims
this was the basic spirit of competition i was talking about
we can do away wid exams, but we can't do away wid the basic spirit of competition from the studets' mindset
and well, its not a bad thing at all.
waise yahan par agar kuchh stats daalne ho to
what stats can help me here
for waale log
'll put the point of suicides and other shit that these exams do...
well the number of those
even after they weere not able to crack a particular set of exam
is also good...
Alok Kumar: well, yeah, but how about stating the fact that the maximum no. of suicides happen because of failed love relationships. does that mean tht every love relationship should be converted to marriage by some act of spreme court?
abolishing the exam is not a solution, educating the studets' about their other options is
I agree tht many students' commit suicide and undergo deep depression. here comes the role of govt. and ngo orgs.
how about starting local councelling centers at college level
telling students about the other career options
and an awareness programme can be run through pprint media about making the parents aware of their childrens' potential even if they were not able to crack some arbit exams
Alok Kumar: things can be donee, and are being done bout delaing this issue. Kapil Sibbal abolished 10th board coz. it actually didnt serve any purpose at all. You don;'t get admission to any reputed professional institution of india just coz
you came with flying colors in xth bpard
but here the situation is differrent
and ppl who compare cat or jee with xth board, should better start developing a cocoon for their children and put them there, until the cocoon itself collpases.
Pranav: hhehe yaah.....the ppl who talk of avoiding competition
are the one
who hate to compete
aor sumwhere fear
that they ll not be abe to stand up to the point
Alok Kumar: yes man, and life ain't just anyways. think about this. A student who never competed through his life
would be the first to fumble
at the slightest pressure
are we talking bout avoiding suicides?
we are actually gonna create a bunch of morons who would take life for granted, and the day they don't get their share bcoz of any arbit thing, they would find tht they no longer can survive.
then the rate of suicides would be bigger. beat that.
there are too things that being in a competition creates
the winner rejoices..
and the looser
looses of course..
but the thing
is that we are not talking abt exams
if you loose your life is gone
and MAKING the ppl
JEE and CAT
as a rat race
aware of them
yahan par kaal kar sakte hain..
nd other than that...I am planning to enumeratesome facts from the very own book man "Psycology of success in IIT -JEE"
wahan se the spirit that developed within us..
one more thing...
Alok Kumar: yeah
Pranav: basically we here are trying to suggest that
we shud keep the
fighting spirit on
but at the same tyme
don't be single minded
like JEE /CAT is not only the thing to live or die for..
Alok Kumar: yes, exactly
Pranav: yahan par sensible dedication
ki baat utahunga
yahan par the role of mentoring...
Alok Kumar: options are always there. you just have to choose the right option
can you tell me
why am i talking bout this issue right now?
( i still dunno)
Pranav: hehehe....I have to speak about it kal
at the CAT insti
Alok Kumar: :P
Pranav: there were other topics like "Google vs WAllmart" nd all
but ye waala sort of
I felt close to me
and ispe kuchh accha bol paunga
Alok Kumar: I think I am gonna post this conversation on out joint blog. It must be an interesting read.
Alok Kumar: unedited
editing ll take out the fun...
Rain and mist bring winter chill to Delhi (IBN Live, 13th Nov. 2009)
I read the internet version of this news piece and was taken back to the sweet reminiscences of my equations with winter. Penning something on winter is not new for me, and in my other blog I did express my feelings and expectations from winter, when I was in my second year of Bachelors. ( For more reference, click http://reflectionsalec.blogspot.com/2007/10/who-says-spring-is-best-i-go-for-winter.html )
Well, Winter has arrived again. And this time it has rains to accompany itself. Rains make me feel melancholic. When you have had enough of drenching around in the showers, you have to come back, change your clothes and sit in the room watching the continuing rains pelting hard on
the roofs and parapets of your life. It feels as if you have been made to sit in a small room, feeling claustrophobic and all, and no one cares while the action continues in your life, nonchalantly.
But rain brings with itself a strange clarity in the environment. After it stops pouring, you see everything sharper and clearer. Like after the tears flow, one can see the true image of the world. The winds become even more chilly, the intoxication of the winter night escalates further. The longing for someone dear, snug and close becomes excruciatingly evident; and the sweet nothing gossips with friends become more comfort giving. The chillness of winter defines the degree of comfort one can get out of slight warmth. In temperature, in emotions, in relationships. Every thing has an inherent duality, I guess.
But even this clarity doesn't perpetuate. As the evening arrives, mist starts to surround the horizon, and the soul. One can't see neither one's own hands nor one's own thoughts. The paradigm changes only to get even blurrier. The soul craves for something, gets sad on not getting it, becomes happy to see the brighter side of it, only to find the limit of this forced happiness and ultimately finds solace in the sadness.
Two winters have passed since I last wrote on winters. It indeed is a strange season for me.
Ignites some kind of thinking lamp of my
soul, only at the expense of taking away my peace. And I normally don't mind my peace taken away except in the winter season. Back in my playdays, the ball struck us hard when it was winter.
And guess what, it still hurts hard when its winter.
Nov. 17, 2009 (Incidentally, Pranav's Birthday)